Kennedy and Lincoln

From: Tracy Riddle triddle@tfb.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Links Between Kennedy Assassination and Lincoln Assasination
Date: Monday, January 01, 1601 12:00 AM

kingwesj@compuserve.com wrote:

> Does anybody know all the links between the Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations? I'm specifically looking for times, but any links would be great...please send any links to me at kingwesj@compuserve.com it would be very greatly appreciated. >

Since a lot of people seem to want this list, here is one I got from a Lincoln historian on the web. Enjoy.

• In 1861 an assassination plot against Lincoln was discovered by a New York police superintendent named John Kennedy.

• Both presidents had seven letters in their last names; were over 6 feet tall; were athletic men. Both enjoyed sitting in rocking chairs. Both were known for their quick wit, liked to quote the Bible and Shakespeare; both were articulate. Both seemed to have lazy eye muscles which would sometimes cause one to deviate. Both suffered from genetic diseases. It is suspected that Lincoln had Marfan's disease and Kennedy suffered from Addison's disease. Both served in the military. Lincoln was a scout captain in the Black Hawk War and Kennedy served as a naval lieutenant in World War II. Both were boat captains. Lincoln was skipper of the Talisman, a Mississippi River boat, and Kennedy was skipper of PT 109. Neither president was known to carry money and constantly borrowed funds from friends. Both had no fear of their mortality and disdained bodyguards. Both often stated how easy it would be to shoot a president. Both received many letters threatening their lives. In the year of his death, Lincoln received over 80 letters. In the year of his death, Kennedy received over 800 letters.

• Both presidents were shot in back of the head, on a Friday; in each case, that Friday was one before a holiday. Lincoln was shot on Good Friday and Kennedy was shot on the Friday before Thanksgiving. Both were seated beside their wives when shot. Neither Mrs. Lincoln nor Mrs. Kennedy were injured. Both wives held the bullet-torn heads of their husbands.

• Both presidents were in the company of another couple when shot. In each case, the man was injured but not fatally. Major Rathbone was slashed by a knife and Governor Connolly was shot.

• Lincoln was shot at Ford's Theatre. Kennedy was shot in a Ford product, a Lincoln limousine. Lincoln sat in Box 7 at Ford's Theatre. Kennedy rode in car 7 in the Dallas motorcade.

• Both presidents received the best medical attention available. Both received closed chest massage. Both died in a place with the initials P and H. Lincoln died in the Peterson House and Kennedy died in Parkland Hospital. The wives of both presidents were with them when they died.

• Autopsies were performed on both presidents. Both autopsies were performed by military personnel. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were buried in mahogany caskets. The bodies of both presidents rested on the same catafalque and caisson. Mrs. Kennedy insisted that her husband's funeral mirror Lincoln's as closely as possible.

• Both assassins had three names: John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald. 15 letters in each name.

• Both assassins struck in their mid-twenties. Booth was born in 1838 (commonly mis-reported as 1939) and Oswald was born in 1939. Each assassin lacked a strong father figure in his life. Booth's father died when he was 13 years old and Oswald's died before he was born. Each assassin had two brothers whose careers he coveted. Booth's two brothers were more successful actors and Oswald envied his brothers' military lives. Both assassins were privates in the military. Booth was a private in Virginia militia and Oswald was a private in the Marine Corps. Both were born in the South and were known sympathizers to enemies of the United States. Booth supported the Confederacy and Oswald was a Marxist. Both were fond of writing down their thoughts; Booth kept a diary and Oswald kept a journal. Both often used aliases. Booth frequently used "J. Wilkes" and Oswald used the name "Alek J. Hidell." Both seemed to have been involved in intelligence work.

• Booth shot Lincoln at a theatre and was cornered in a warehouse. Oswald shot Kennedy from a warehouse and was cornered in a theatre.

• The handyman, bill distributor, and part-time concession operator at Ford's Theatre was Joseph "Peanuts John" Burroughs. The concession stand operator at the Texas Theatre was Butch Burroughs.

• Booth was aided in his escape from Washington by Oswald (Oswell) Swan and Lewis Paine (also known as Payne). Oswald got his job at the Schoolbook Depository through the aid of Mrs. Ruth Paine, his landlady.

• Each assassin was detained by an officer named Baker. Lt. Luther B. Baker was the leader of the cavalry patrol which trapped Booth at Garrett's barn. Officer Marion L. Baker, a Dallas motorcycle patrolman, briefly detained Oswald on the second floor of the School Depository.

• Both assassins were killed with a single shot from a Colt revolver. Both were shot in a blaze of light--Booth after the barn was set afire and Oswald in front of the television cameras. Both were shot before their version of the presidential assassination could be learned. Both assassins were shot by 'lone fanatics'; Booth was killed by Boston Corbett and Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby.

• Both of these assassins had changed their names. Corbett's real first name was Thomas and Ruby changed his name from Jacob Rubenstein. Both Corbett and Ruby were known as unstable men prone to violence.

• Both presidents were named for their grandfathers; were born second children. Before each was elected to the presidency, each lost a sister to death. Both married while in their thirties to dark-haired, twenty-four-year-old women. Each wife had been previously engaged to someone else. Both wives were from socially prominent families and spoke fluent French. Both wives were known for their high fashion in clothes and spending large amounts of money. Both wives renovated the White House after many years of neglect. Each couple had four children, two of whom died before becoming a teen. Each couple lost a son while in the White House. Both the Lincoln and Kennedy children rode ponies on the White House lawn.

• Lincoln had sons named Robert and Edward. Kennedy had brothers named Robert and Edward. Both presidents were related to U.S. Senators. Lincoln's cousin, General Isaac Barnard of Pennsylvania, was first elected in 1827. Kennedy's brother Edward was first elected in 1962 from Massachusetts and brother Robert was elected from New York in 1964.

• Shortly after his father was assassinated, Robert T. Lincoln (with mother and brother) moved to a home located at 3014 N Street, N.W., in Georgetown. Shortly after his father was assassinated, John F. Kennedy, Jr. (with mother and sister) moved to a home located at 3017 N Street, N.W., in Georgetown.

• Both presidents were related to Democratic U.S. attorney generals who graduated from Harvard University: Levi Lincoln, Sr. (Jefferson) and Robert F. Kennedy (Kennedy). Both presidents were related to ambassadors to the Court of St. James's (Great Britain): Robert T. Lincoln (B. Harrison) and Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. (F. Roosevelt). Both presidents were friends with Illinois Democrats named Adlai E. Stevenson; Lincoln's friend would become Grover Cleveland's vice president and Kennedy's friend would twice be the Democratic presidential nominee.

• Both knew a Doctor Charles Taft. Lincoln was treated by Dr. Charles Sabin Taft, M.D., who was the half-brother of son Tad's playmates and chief surgeon at the Judiciary Square Hospital. Kennedy knew Dr. Charles Phelps Taft, LLD, who was mayor of Cincinnati (Ohio) and son of President William Howard Taft.

• Both presidents had friends named Billy Graham. Lincoln's friend was William Mentor Graham, a New Salem (Illinois) schoolteacher, and Kennedy knew the evangelist, Rev. Billy Graham.

• Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln (whose husband Harold's nickname was Abe); she warned him not to go to Dallas. Legend says Lincoln had a secretary named John Kennedy who told him not to go to the theatre, although no actual record of this person can be found.

• Both presidents were first elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in '46; were runners-up for their party's nomination for vice-president in '56; were elected to the presidency in '60 and by less than a majority of voters. Both had the legality of their elections contested. Both were involved in famous political debates. The Lincoln-Douglas debates were in 1858 and the Kennedy-Nixon debates in 1960.

• Both were concerned with the problems of American blacks and made their views known in '63. Lincoln told of his in the Emancipation Proclamation and Kennedy in his report to Congress on Civil Rights. Both were hated in the South because of their actions. In 1964, William O. Douglas and Harry Goldin published books entitled Mr. Lincoln and the Negroes and Mr. Kennedy and the Negroes.

• Both Lincoln and Kennedy were succeeded by Southern Democrats named Johnson; Andrew Johnson was born in 1808; Lyndon Johnson was born in 1908. There are six letters in each Johnson's first name. Both were large men; both had two daughters; both Johnsons served in the military. Andrew was a brigadier general in the Civil War and Lyndon was a commander in the navy during World War II; both were former senators; both entered the presidency in their mid-fifties. Both Johnsons had urethral stones, the only presidents to have them. Both Johnsons were distrusted by the dead president's cabinet.

• Both Johnsons faced reelection opponents whose names began with G; Andrew Johnson could have run against Ulysses S. Grant and Lyndon Johnson faced Barry Goldwater in the election of 1964. Both Johnsons chose not to run for reelection in '68.

• Investigations for conspiracy were conducted for both presidential assassinations. In each case, after a number of years, the investigation was reopened without really resolving who was involved in the assassination.

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From: Mongoose92 mongoose92@aol.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Non-Links Between Kennedy Assassination and Lincoln Assasination
Date: Monday, January 01, 1601 12:00 AM

This is certainly an impressive list of similarities, but there are a few inaccuracies:

<<It is suspected that Lincoln had Marfan's disease>>
Most historians and medical experts doubt Lincoln had this disease.

<<Neither president was known to carry money and constantly borrowed funds from friends>>
I don't know about Kennedy, but I've NEVER read that about Lincoln.

<<Booth was a private in Virginia militia>>
Booth was never a private in the Virginia militia. He borrowed a Virginia militia uniform pretending to be a soldier so he could witness the hanging of John Brown in 1859.

<<Booth shot Lincoln at a theatre and was cornered in a warehouse>>
Booth was cornered and shot in a tobacco barn, not a warehouse.

<<Legend says Lincoln had a secretary named John Kennedy who told him not to go to the theatre>>
Lincoln had no secretary named Kennedy.