From jad@ckuxb.att.com Ukn Jan 18 12:20:58 1993 Received: from att-out.att.com by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA19603; Mon, 18 Jan 93 12:20:55 -0500 Message-Id: <9301181720.AA19603@css.itd.umich.edu> To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 12:16:00 EST From: jad@ckuxb.att.com Status: RO X-Status: Article 19250 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive Subject: Part 29, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Message-ID: <1993Jan16.001536.7765@mont.cs.missouri.edu> Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Lines: 144 I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Alright, we're going to recapitulate here for a moment, and then I want to go on with some of the other scenarios involved in all this. I want to take a look at renegade CIA cliques. I also want to examine right-wing extremists and Organized Crime. I want to take a very careful look at Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli and some of the other people involved. JIM MARRS: Don't forget the Military. GARY NULL: We're going to come to the Military, and also some of the people who have never really been brought out yet; and that is, I want to see the Howard Hughes challenge -- the challenge that Howard Hughes may have had a role in this. We're going to look at that. We're also going to look at some couriers and some communications experts and some possible hit-men. So, all of this is going to be laid out, hopefully, during the remainder of the program -- time permitting. JIM MARRS: Gary, before we end this program today, let's not forget to discuss what I think is the most important thing, which is the common connecting point, the nexus between all of these groups. And there IS a connecting point. And it is intriguing. And I think it points the way toward the solution of who was behind the assassination. GARY NULL: We will get to that in just a minute. Just to summarize, we are talking about J. Edgar Hoover. We have ruled out, at this point, and I feel that history and all the evidence completely rules out that the Soviets were involved. Premier Nikita Kruschev, KGB Chairman Yuri Andropov, KGB American expert-turned-defector Yuri Nosinkov[sp], Marina Pruskovka[sp] Oswald, Oswald's control agent Albert Osborne, and even the Latin leftist guerillas coordinated by "the second Oswald", code-named Alec Heidel[sp] a trained KGB assassin. These people simply did not directly participate. There's no evidence. We've ruled them out. We have certainly ruled in J. Edgar Hoover as knowing about it. That's clear. ... certain other FBI agents knowing about it, and the FBI being FORCED, upon the mandate of Hoover, to participate in the cover-up, based upon the Warren Commission stating that it was the FBI that was to provide all the information to the Warren Commission through all the interviews. We have repeated references to them altering evidence, destroying evidence, tampering with evidence, intimidating witnesses, threatening witnesses ..... And that is not a matter of speculation. That is a matter of fact, and is demonstrable by [the terms of] law. So, clearly, they are one of the lead characters. In a moment, we're going to go on with our special investigation. I'm Gary Null. Kevin McCreary is the co-producer on this. ....... [passages lost due to tape ending] ..... stories in the media are simply spurious and speculative, and they've even gone so far as to try to denigrate anyone who would come up with an idea other than Oswald acting alone. Thus far, however, there's absolutely NO evidence -- no hard evidence -- that Oswald was involved in the assassination WHATSOEVER. So let's take a look now ..... Why don't we go to the Military? JIM MARRS: Well, I think this may be one of the key factors because if you'll stop and think about it in its broadest scope, you'll understand that there was absolutely no way that there could be any kind of large-scale assassination conspiracy that did not, in some way, take into account the Military, because the Military is the armed force in this country. I mean, as we saw in the Los Angeles riots, when the local authorities can't handle the situation, the Military moves in. And they would have done this in 1963 if there had been some large-scale coup that did not include them. You have to, at least, neutralize the Military, if not have them actively on your side -- which was done. Now -- we're getting to the nub of it now, Gary, because people who have studied this assassination in great detail say: "Well, was it the FBI? Was it the CIA? Was it the Mafia? Was it the anti-Castro Cubans? Was it the Military?" And this particular line of questioning has kept us confused for a good number of years because the truthful answer is: "YES! It was ALL of them!" Now, you say: "Oh, my God! Now you're talking about a huge, massive conspiracy. And nobody could have kept quiet about that." No. That's not what I'm talking about. But I'm talking about "Operation Mongoose." There was a connection, a nexus point, back in the early `60s -- in `61, `62. And it was "Operation Mongoose: The Secret War Against Castro." Most of this is now historical record. The Senate Intelligence Committee, under [Sen. Frank] Church [D.-Idaho] and those -- Sen. Gary Hart [D.-Colorado], developed this information back in the early `70s. It was all in the newspapers. It has all been established. The plot: "The Secret War Against Castro", was headed out of the JIMWAVE[sp] Station (which is a CIA acronym) on the campus of the University of Miami. It involved anti-Castro Cubans, CIA agents, military officers, Mafia people ... And THERE we have the common ground, the commonality, the nexus point at which they were all operating together. And what were they doing? They were mixed up in plots to overthrow Cuba, and they were mixed up in plots specifically to assassinate [Cuban Premier] Fidel Castro. That's historical fact. Why is it such a big leap in understanding to realize that these same people, who were trained and who were gearing up to kill Castro, suddenly were just directed to Dallas? Because the common thought at that time was that the problem really was in the White House and not in Cuba; that we COULD attack Cuba, we could knock over Fidel Castro IF we had a president and an administration that was willing to do that. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. 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