Subject: Re: Crucial point Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:16:28 GMT From: jpshinley@my-deja.com Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk In article <19990805134806.25204.00007623@ng-cr1.aol.com>, ricbissell@aol.com (RicBissell) wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > jpshinley@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Here's excerpts from an article about the '49 trip and some referenc > > articles about the '51 trip: > >- > >New Orleans Times-Picayune May 24, 1949 P1 > >'Neighbors Agree to Opne Trade Mart Exhibit Rooms > >- > > Thirteen countries of Central and South America have agreed to > >open exhibits at the International Trade Mart as a result of a > >recent 10-week tour of two local representatives. > > Announcement of results of the 14-nation promotion campaign was > >made Monday [23rd] by Mario Bermudez, director of international > >relations for New Orleans and International House, and Clay Shaw > >managing director of the International Trade Mart, who made the tour. > > High enthusiam was shown for the program in all countries, the > >men reported. And the governments of the 13 nations have begun work > >toward opening rooms at the Trade Mart within the next few months, > >they said. Guatemala, the 14th country on the tour, already has an > >exhibit here. > > So what Clay Shaw really was was less of a businessman and more a of liaison > with foreign governments for the ITM, right? > There were private, American-based companies with offices in the ITM, too. > > It's interesting that one of the > earlier "targets" for the ITM was Guatemala, which has a long history with the > CIA, including five years later, when they managed the successful invasion of > CIA-trained and -friendly "rebel force" in that same country. And, of course, > the Bay of Pigs invasion force was trained and launched from there. > > > Leases have been signed by Haiti, Columbia, Nicaragua and El > >Salvador. Representatives of Venezuela and Panama will journey to > >the city for final arrangements, they said, and the governments of > >Cuba, > > Cuba, huh? That's interesting. I wonder how many contacts Shaw had with the > Cuban government up until 1959? Or even after. > > >Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Peru, Costa Rica, and Honduras > >are expected to complete their plans within a few weeks. > > Sponsored by International House, International Trade Mart, the > >city, and the Dock Board, the series of conferences was aimed at > >facilitating a flow of dollars between the United States and her > >southern neighbors. > > Deftly put by the writers at the Times-Picayune. ;-) BTW, any info on > International House? (You've been a veritable font, so far!) It sort of sounds > like one of those "Air America" or "Arkansas Financial Development > Association" type names at first blush. > ITM started out as a project of International House but took on a life of its own. International House opened in 1945 and it was a non-profit organization with the purpose of improving foreign relations and trade. IH and ITM worked together closely - Clay Shaw twice served as acting managing director of IH, in '56 and '61; and Mario Bermudez worked for ITM, IH, and N.O. - through the years until a schism in 1963. Shaw's opposite number at IH, Charles Nutter, was a former foreign correspondent who served in Moscow in the thirties, where he was close to the U. S. ambassador. (see _Mission to Moscow_ by Joseph Davies.) > > > _The Old Boys_ by Burton Hersh quotes an intelligence officer, > > James McCargar, about his dealings with Ferenc Nagy during the '56 > > crisis. (you have to look up McCargar in the index; Nagy isn't there.) > > Here's an account from McCargar's book, _A Short Course in the Secret > > War_, written under the name "Christopher Felix": > >- > >My own purposes at Vienna were simple enough. The political operations > >in which I was engaged concerned Hungarians outside of Hungary, and my > >principal tasks had to do with the tens of thousands of Hungarian > >refugees pouring over the border into Austria. So far as events in > >Hungary were concerned, my mission was purely that of an observer: > >if a contact should develop with the new Hungarian revolutionary > >regime, I would maintain it while seeking new instructions. Indeed, > >only eight days before, an exiled Hungarian, a former very high > >post-war politician and Cabinet Minister, had told me that he had > >telephoned Budapest and spoken to members of the new Imre Nagy Cabinet, > >who had said simply, "Speak for us in the West. Make them understand > >our neutrality." I had assisted this man to travel to Vienna, not with > >the intention of his re-entering Hungary, but only so that he could he > >in closer contact with his colleagues and compatriots now in the > >Government. He had, on arrival in Vienna, been immediately deported to > >Switzerland on, of all things, the representations of the American > >Ambassador to Austria. I had, therefore, on my own arrival in Vienna, > >sent word to one of his henchmen, who was now somewhere in Hungary > >carrying a letter from the former Minister to the leading non-Marxist > >political personality in the new Government. > >- > > > >- > > In _The Old Boys_, Ferenc Nagy is revealed to be the "exiled > >Hungarian" who was expelled from Austria. > > Again, thanks for all your excellent research. What is the relationship > between Ferenc Nagy and Imre Nagy? Mr. Reitzes had posted a source that had > said that Ferenc Nagy was the ex-Premeir of Hungary, but that's not correct is > it? Apparently that source got the two Nagy's mixed up. > Ference Nagy was premiere of Hungary immediately after WWII. I think McCargar didn't mention this is his description because, at the time (early sixties), he was trying conceal Nagy's identity. I believe there was no family relationship between Imre and Ferenc. Here's Nagy's Who's Who entry: - Who's Who in America 1960-1961 Marquis, Chicago - p2112 - Nagy, Ferenc ex-premier of Hungary; b. Bisse, Hungary, Oct 8, 1903; s. Ferenc and Julianna (Kata) N.; ed. pub schs.; LL.D., Bloomfield College, 1948, University of California at Berkeley, 1957; m. Juliette Balog, Jan 24, 1924; children Ferenc, Julia, Lazlo, Sophia, Maria; sec. general of Smallholders' Party, 1930; member parliament, 1939; prisoner of the Gestapo, 1944; pres. Nat. Assembly, 1945; minister of recnstrn., 1945; prime minister of Hungary, 1946-47; exile of Communism, 1947; pres. of the Central European Com., 1951; Author: Struggle behind the Iron Curtain, 1948; articles: How the Russians Grabbed my Government, 1947; Around the Iron Curtain, 1949; Home: 523 Eldon St., Herndon, Va. > > So, what do we have here? We know Ferenc Nagy had been in contact with the > "intelligence officer" (CIA, maybe?) James McCargar (whose dealings with the > Hungarian refugees could have easily been performed by a man like Clay Shaw). > We know he was a conduit for important information from the Imre Nagy > government to "the West" through McCargar. And we know he personally asked for > Clay Shaw to be on the Board of Directors at his own version of the > International Trade Mart right around this time. We also know that for eights > years prior to this Shaw had written reports on his activities for the CIA. > > > Hmmmm... > > Thanks again for all the info, Jerry. > > - /< /\ /> - > Jerry Shinley Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.