From - Wed Jan 29 10:36:35 1997 Path: db1.datablast.net!news-in.tiac.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.64.182.7!news.thenet.net!jmcadams From: mshack Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy.jfk.moderated Subject: Re: Posner4 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:45:36 -0500 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 115 Approved: aja@thuntek.net Message-ID: <32EDA090.520D@concentric.net> References: <32e55075.4391049@news.jaring.my> Reply-To: mshack@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: homer.thenet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Errors-To: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-GZone (Win95; I) Content-Length: 6378 Status: O Originator: jmcadams@homer.thenet.net Xref: db1.datablast.net alt.conspiracy.jfk:24210 alt.conspiracy.jfk.moderated:4961 And a fourth. Martin Shackelford Item Number Four: Posner and the TSBD Roll Call POSNER (p. 272): "By the time Day left for the lab, the police, with Roy Truly, had gathered every one of the Depository's employees on the first floor. The only one missing was Lee Oswald." (No source is cited for this). ROY TRULY: (WC 3 p. 229-30): "Mr. Truly: [After police sealed off the TSBD] I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth. "There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people's names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys.*** "I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no.*** "So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said 'I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not.' Because I had another one or two out then...He said,'Well, we better do it anyway.'... "So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving.*** [Mr. H.S. Aiken, company bookkeeper, was twice interviewed by the FBI, but never asked about Truly's phone call.] "Mr. Belin: Why didn't you ask for any other employees? "Mr. Truly: That is the only one that I could be certain right then was missing.*** "Mr. Truly: Chief Lumpkin of the Dallas Police Department was standing a few feet from me. I told Chief Lumpkin that I had a boy missing over here--'I don't know whether it amounts to anything or not.' " [Lumpkin took him to Captain Fritz on the 6th f loor, Truly added.] "Mr. Truly:...Chief Lumpkin stepped over and told Captain Fritz that I had something that I wanted to tell him....And I told him about this boy missing." (WC 3 p. 239): "Representative Ford: Do you know about what time that was that you told the police? "Mr. Truly: ...I think it was around 15--between 15 and 20 minutes after the shots...I could be as far off as 5 minutes or so...I did not seem to think it was very long." (WC 7 p. 382-3): "Mr. Truly: When I noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that,'We have a man here that's missing.' I said,'It may not mean anything, but he isn't here.' *** "Mr. Ball: Was he the only man missing? "Mr. Truly: The only one I noticed at that time. Now, I think there was one or two more, possibly Charles Givens, but I had seen him out in front walking up the street just before the firing of the gun. *** "Mr. Ball: Did you make a check of your employees afterwards? "Mr. Truly: No, no; not complete. No, I just saw a group of the employees over there on the floor and I noticed this boy wasn't with them. With no thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn't t here. "Mr. Ball: What do you mean 'a short time before'? "Mr. Truly: I would say 10 or 12 minutes. "Mr. Ball: You mean that's when you saw him in the lunchroom? "Mr. Truly: In the lunchroom...I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him around, and he said 'No'." *** (WC 7 p. 384) "Mr. Truly: ...Chief Lumpkin told Captain Fritz that Mr. Truly had something to tell him, which I would like to tell him, so he stepped over 4 or 5 feet to where I was, away from the other men...and I repeated the words to Captain Fritz." (Note: In neither appearance before the Commission did Truly mention a roll call or anything resembling a roll call of all employees.) CAPTAIN WILL FRITZ: (WC 4 p. 206): "Mr. Fritz: That was about the time we finished Mr. Truly came and told me that one of his employees had left the building, and I asked his name and he gave me his name, Lee Harvey Oswald, and I asked his address and he gave me the Irving address. "Mr. Ball: This was after the rifle was found? "Mr. Fritz: Yes, sir; after the rifle was found. "Mr. Ball: Another witness has testified that the rifle was found at 1:22 p.m...." (Note: Nowhere in his testimony does Capt. Fritz mention a roll call or anything resembling a roll call: just Truly telling him an employee had left the building. He did say that immediately after Truly told him the name, Fritz left the TSBD to return to headquarters and follow up this lead; unlikely if Truly is correct about the time.) Mr. Posner seems to rely on the Warren Commission, which in turn relied on a second-hand account supported by neither of the first-hand witnesses: it was from Sgt. Gerald Hill: (WC 7 p. 59): "And I asked the captain why he wanted him [Oswald], and he said, 'Well, he was employed down at the Book Depository and he had not been present for a roll call of the employees.' " It is clear that either Capt. Fritz misinterpreted the situation and assumed that Truly had based his report on a roll call, or that Sgt. Hill misinterpreted what he was told by Capt. Fritz. It is also clear that there was no roll call, no gathering of "e very" employee "on the first floor." Truly specifically notes that employees were being questioned by police in various parts of the building. He also notes that Oswald wasn't "the only one missing." Eddie Piper described the police questioning as "the lineup...they lined us all up and told us to give our name and address." (WC 7 p. 389), but also made it clear that police were taking people's names and addresses before allowing them to leave the buil ding, rather than a formal sort of roll call. It was "about 1 p.m." according to his affidavit (WC XIX p. 499). Besides Truly, Bonnie Ray Williams noted the absence of Charles Givens (WC 3 p. 183): "He wasn't in the building at the time. He was downtown somewhere." Givens indicated the building was sealed off by the time he returned, and the officer wouldn't let him enter (WC 6 p. 355). Edward Shields testified that he was with Givens, and also wasn't allowed back into the building (WC 7 p. 395). 2