Subj: Bullet strike photo evid Section: The Back Room [1] From: Anthony Marsh (MA) 72127,2301 # 6047, 1 Reply To: Joe Knapp 70403,2231 Date: 13-Oct-93 10:44 I can give you a few details off the top of my head and will try to copy out more for you this weekend. The speed of sound at 12:30 PM CST on 11/22/63 was 1123 fps. That's about 65 degrees. You can also derive the speed of sound from the acoustical analysis as other variables become more narrowly defined. I am confused by your statement that "Sounds, even supersonic shock waves (once created) travel at the speed of sound (duh)." That use of "(duh)" seems to imply that you know something which any idiot should know. I hope you do know that supersonic shock waves do travel faster than the speed of sound. That is why they are called supersonic. Figuring out the rate at which the shockwave slows down is the same as figuring out the rate at which the bullet slows down, which has already been calculated for the M-C, until the bullet hits it target. After that the decay of the shockwave is a little trickier to figure out and involves calculus. But you can still use the ballpark figure for the rate at which the shockwave slows down. It is close enough for our purposes. Naturally I believe the head shot came from behind Zapruder on the grassy knoll, so he felt the shockwave before the bullet hit. But for the sake of your argument, you can assume that the shockwave arrived at Zapruder very shortly after the bullet hit if it came from the TSBD. I can not agree with the idea that the bullet had to hit within Z-313. I believe someone has done some calculations before (Alvarez?) which indicate that the particles exploding from the head had a velocity which worked backwards would start to exit the head before Z-313 started being exposed. That's why I use the benchmark of Z-312.6 for the hit, just after the shutter closed. So, although I think the shot came from the grassy knoll rather than the TSBD, I do not believe your logic can disprove the TSBD shot. Tony