From - Sun Jun 14 18:25:54 1998 Path: newnews.startext.net!not-for-mail From: "Vincent M. and Jessica K. Palamara" Newsgroups: startext.jfk Subject: JFK Limousine, Who's still alive, etc. etc. etc. Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:42:05 -0700 Organization: Star-Telegram Usenet server Lines: 436 Message-ID: <3583D32C.54BC747D@telerama.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.201.41.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: newnews.startext.net startext.jfk:8807 JFK LIMOUSINE, SECRET SERVICE OBITS, WHO'S STILL ALIVE, SS SOURCES, PALAMARA URLS, ETC.---- PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S LIMOUSINE: INTERNET URLS/ WEBSITES---- (for good video sources, see "Presidential Limousines" [1995/1996] and "The Secret Service" [1995, History channel-part 3]) http://www.ogara.com/presidents/jfk.htm [formerly Hess & Eisenhardt] http://members.aol.com/Asknot6705/index.html [Fred Ciacelli's Travelling JFK Museum---the exact replica limo, using the original blueprints, used in the movies "JFK", "Ruby", and "A Woman Called Jackie"; Ciacelli appeared on the "Today" show on 11/19/93 and I met him in Pgh, PA back in March '92] http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/jojoan/limo.html [for the most part, pretty good info. on the limo] http://www.primenet.com/~pamelam/jfk.html [minus the Greer-shot-JFK intro, the rest of this site is REALLY good/ thought-provoking] http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/figure6.jpg [photo] Anthony Marsh's "Best Witness" article (various versions): http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/limo.htm [inc. one large photo---same as the Jerry Organ version; text only: at The Puzzle Palace] http://www.jfklancer.com/index3frame.html [click on "JFK: The Assassination", then "Page 3: Multi Media" to access---this is THE best version: all the photos + the four WH garage shots] http://www.roadtripamerica.com/places/dallas.htm [the limo tour in Dallas] http://www.hfmgv.org/highlights/museum/jfk.html [the limo today] http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/JFK/ALT_ANNOT.jpg [interesting take on the Altgen's photo--skip the text!] ftp://shell.exo.com/pub/users/jfklancr/Cooper_snaps/55limoparkland.GIF [a clip from the Cooper/ Sturges film] http://users.southeast.net/~cheryl/lovefld.jpg [nice photo from Love Field] ftp://ftp.southeast.net/private/cheryl/Photographs_films/altgens_harris.gif [neat captioned version of Altgens #5] ftp://ftp.southeast.net/private/cheryl/Assassination_general/limobld.jpg [rearseat of limo: large, color] ftp://ftp.southeast.net/private/cheryl/Assassination_general/backseatlimo.GIF [smaller] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WASHINGTON POST OBITUARIES RE: SECRET SERVICE AGENTS: 1) Roy H. Kellerman, 3/30/84 (born 3/14/15; died 3/22/84) 2) William R. Greer, 2/28/85 3) James J. Rowley, 11/2/92 4) Gerald A. Behn, 4/23/93 (born 6/17/16; died 4/21/93) 5) Lilburn E. "Pat" Boggs, 10/19/94 6) Burrill A. Peterson, 11/9/95 OTHER (JFK ERA) AGENTS DECEASED: 7) John E. Campion---early 1980's 2 of the 3 shift leaders on the Texas trip: 8) Emory P. Roberts---late 1960's [second agent to die after Dallas, officially speaking] 9) Stewart G. "Stu" Stout---between 1963-1965 [first agent to die after Dallas!] 10) Lubert F. "Bert" De Freese---1980's 11) Samuel A. Kinney---7/21/97 12) Rufus W. Youngblood---10/2/96 13) Forrest V. Sorrels---11/6/93 (born 9/16/01) 14) James K. "Jack" Fox---1987 15) Harvey Henderson---Jan. 1994 16) Dennis R. Halterman---1988 17) John J. "Muggsy" O'Leary---1980's 18) William B. Payne---? 19) Morgan L. Gies---? 20) Henry J. Rybka---? 21) Wade J. Rodham---1983 22) Andrew M. Hutch---1991 23) Clarence Knetsch---1970's 24) John A. Marshall---? 25) Leon L. Gopadze---? 26) Paul J. Paterni---2/84 (born 5/6/07) 27) Urbanus "U.E." Baughman---? 28) Thomas J. Kelley---? 29) Harry E. Neal---1993 30) Adrian G. Vial---? 31) Charles E. Kunkel---6/27/92 32) Paul Doster---1987 33) Dennis V.N. McCarthy---1990's 34) Brooks Keller---? A FEW DETAILED OBITS: OBITUARY- Washington Post, 10/19/94: Lilburn E. "Pat" Boggs; deceased 10/16/94; retired Deputy Director; served 30 years in Secret Service- retired 1978; WHD- Truman, Ike; with Ike during his retirement in Gettysburg, PA.; SAIC of Los Angeles and Albuquerque, New Mexico offices, as well as the Chicago office during the 1968 Democratic National Conventions [replaced Martineau?]; 1969- returned to D.C. as Asst. Dir. for Protective Forces- presided over its reorganization and expansion from 250 to 800 officers, inc. 5 women who eventually became the first 5 female Secret Service agents ; also directed the establishment of the Foreign Dignitary Protective Division ; accompanied Nixon to China in 1972 and to the Soviet Union in 1973; awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award and the Albert Gallatin Medal; also- a WWII vet., inc. 12/7/41: assigned to Pearl Harbor. 3) OBITUARY- Washington Post, 4/23/93: Gerald A. Behn; age-76; died of cancer 4/21/93 at his home in McLean, VA-lived in the D.C. area since 1939; SAIC of WHD from [Sept.] 1961 to [ Jan.] 1965; retired in 1967 as SAIC of Special Investigations after 28 years in the Secret Service; an Inspector [?!?!-Behn denied he was one to me and he didn't mention becoming one in his JFK Library Oral History]; was a charter member and president of the Assoc. of Former Agents of the U.S. Secret Service; born in Forest Park, IL ; raised in Flint, MI; a graduate of Michigan State University; worked for U.S. Postal Service for 4 years after leaving the service; wife- Jean Brownell Behn; two daughters- Sandra Lee Kane of Springfield[I spoke to her 8/95] and Barbara Jean Shipley of Vienna; 4 grandchildren. 4) OBITUARY- Washington Post, 11/2/92: James J. Rowley; age-84; died of congestive heart failure 11/1/92 at his home in Leisure World; Director of Secret Service from [Sept.] 1961 to 1973; a native of New York; received 2 law degrees from St. John's University in Jamaica, NY; an investigator with the NY State Banking Dept. before beginning his federal career in 1937- an FBI special agent and briefly practiced law; joined the Secret Service in NY in 1938; transferred to Washington the next year; was SAIC of WHD from 1947 to [Sept.] 1961; received the Treasury Department's Exceptional Service Award in 1968, the highest award recommended by the Treasury Secretary, and the President's Award for Distinguished Federal Civilian Service; many other awards, too; wife of 52 years, the former Mabel Rita Cluen of Leisure World; 3 daughters- Claudia Dailey of Columbia, Linda Graham of Chevy Chase[MD], and Donna Ryan of Alexandria [VA]; brother- Rev. Francis P. Rowley, S.J. of Blauvelt, NY; sister- Marge Borise of Greenwich, Conn.; 8 grandchildren. BREAKDOWN of those still living from Dallas motorcade: 1) LEAD CAR: only Winston G. Lawson still alive (the other three---Sorrels[1993], Curry[1980], and Decker[1970]---are dead); 2) PRESIDENTIAL LIMOUSINE: only Mrs. Nellie Connally is still alive (the other 5---Greer[1985], Kellerman[1984], JFK[11/22/63], Jackie[1994], and Gov. John Connally[1993]---are dead); 3) SECRET SERVICE FOLLOW-UP CAR: Hickey (albeit ill), Bennett, Hill, McIntyre, Ready, and Landis are still alive. The other four---Kinney [7/21/97], Roberts[ late 1960's], O'Donnell [1977], and Powers [1998]---are dead; 4) V.P. CAR: only Lady Bird Johnson is still alive (the other three---LBJ [1973], Yarborough [1/96], and Youngblood [10/2/96]---are all dead); OTHERS DECEASED: DPD officers B.J. Martin and James Chaney[4/76]; Mayor Earle Cabell [1974]; Merriman Smith; Larry O'Brien; Albert Thomas; Ted Clifton; Godfrey McHugh; Doug Kiker; Seth Kantor; -------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERESTING PARTS OF WEISBERG'S FBI/ SS BOOK (NO INDEX): "Whitewash II- the FBI-SS Cover-up" by Weisberg- Marina- pp. 9,11,15,21,23; LHO/Tippit murder(Police radio logs/tapes)- pp. 25-27,29,35; another bullet- p. 38; Brennan- p. 88; autopsy- pp. 110, 113-117; FBI/SS: 3 bullets/hits- p. 123; Sibert and O'Neill- pp. 124-125; Zapruder film- pp. 134 and 141; Kelley report 11/28/63- pp. 166-167; Greer- p. 175; Phil Willis- pp. 202-204; shooting- p. 216; comments- pp. 224-225 ~ Secret Service agent Richard Green on CNN 10/29/94 after "assassination" attempt on President Clinton: " Green said that no serious assassination attempt is made without a diversion( He also said that the attempt is made from 2 or 3 sides). What on earth is he referring to except Dallas, since I don't know of any attempts on Reagan or Ford made with a diversion. I really think Agent Green slipped up"- Dennis Ford. SECRET SERVICE SOURCES: 1) AGENTS INTERVIEWED BY WARREN COMMISSION: LAWSON, SORRELS, GREER, KELLERMAN, HILL, YOUNGBLOOD, HOWLETT, KELLEY, ROWLEY, BOUCK + DILLON 2) AGENTS INTERVIEWED BY FBI: KELLERMAN, GREER, BEHN + ROWLEY 3) AGENTS INTERVIEWED BY HSCA: LAWSON, SORRELS, GREER, KELLERMAN, KELLEY, ROWLEY, BOUCK, BEHN, READY, McINTYRE, KINNEY, BENNETT, JOHNS, de FREESE, MARTINEAU, GRIFFITHS, NOONAN, JAMISON, BAILEY, BOLDEN, SIMS + KLAPKOWSKI; MARSHALL, MCLEOD, MOTTO, TUCKER 4) AGENTS INTERVIEWED BY WILLIAM MANCHESTER: BEHN, BLAINE, DILLON, FOSTER, FOWLER, GREER, HILL, JOHNS, KELLERMAN, KELLEY, KINNEY, O'LEARY, PETERSON, ROBERTS, ROWLEY, SORRELS, WARNER, WELLS, YOUNGBLOOD, WILSON 5) KNOWN AGENTS INTERVIEWED BY JIM BISHOP: GREER, KELLERMAN, ROWLEY, KELLEY 6) PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY ORAL HISTORIES: JFK LIBRARY- BEHN , BOUCK, and BORING [JUST RELEASED Jan. 1998!] LBJ LIBRARY- ROWLEY AND YOUNGBLOOD TRUMAN LIBRARY- ROWLEY AND BORING HOOVER LIBRARY- GEORGE C. DRESCHER [note: In BOTH of Boring’s Oral History’s, he confirms that he was in charge of all of the advance work---inc. giving out assignments---during the JFK years] 7) SECRET SERVICE/ RELATED TEXTS (IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER): -"THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE-SURVIVOR'S GUILT: THE SECRET SERVICE AND THE JFK MURDER" (1993; 1997) BY VINCE PALAMARA; -" IN THE LINE OF FIRE " (1993) BY MAX ALLAN COLLINS -" CONFESSIONS OF AN EX-SECRET SERVICE AGENT" (1988/1991) BY GEORGE RUSH AND MARTY VENKER - " PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT" (1985/1987) BY DENNIS V.N. McCARTHY W/ PHILLIP W. SMITH - " THE POLITICS OF PROTECTION: THE U.S. SECRET SERVICE IN THE TERRORIST AGE" (1984) BY PHILIP H. MELANSON - " 20 YEARS IN THE SERCRET SERVICE: MY LIFE WITH FIVE PRESIDENTS" (1973) BY RUFUS W. YOUNGBLOOD (GHOSTWRITER- RICHARD HARDWICK) - " THE SECRET SERVICE STORY" (1967/1968) BY MICHAEL DORMAN (OF "NEWSDAY" FAME) - " WHITEWASH II- THE FBI-SECRET SERVICE COVERUP" (1966) BY HAROLD WEISBERG - " SECRET SERVICE CHIEF" (1962/1963) BY U.E. BAUGHMAN W/ LEONARD WALLACE ROBINSON - " THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE" (1960/1961) BY WALTER S. BOWEN AND HARRY E. NEAL - " MURDER FROM WITHIN" (1974) BY FRED NEWCOMB AND PERRY ADAMS [GREER DID IT] - " MORTAL ERROR" (1992: HARDCOVER, AUDIO BOOK, PAPERBACK) BY BONAR MENINGER AND HOWARD DONAHUE [HICKEY DID IT] - " THE DEATH OF A PRESIDENT" (1967/1988) BY WILLIAM MANCHESTER - " THE DAY KENNEDY WAS SHOT" (1968/1992) BY JIM BISHOP - THE WR AND THE 26 VOLUMES - THE HSCA REPORT AND 12 VOLUMES - " SPECIAL AGENT" (1965) BY FRANK J. WILSON AND BETH DAY - " STARLING OF THE WHITE HOUSE" (1946) BY COL. EDMUND W. STARLING AND THOMAS SUGRUE - " A MILLION MILES OF PRESIDENTS" (1982/ TEXT WRITTEN IN 1969-1970) BY COL. GEORGE J. McNALLY - " THE FLYING WHITE HOUSE" (1979) BY J.F. terHORST AND COL. RALPH ALBERTAZZIE -"WHO'S WHO IN THE SECRET SERVICE" (1998-NOT RELEASED YET) BY KATHLEE FITZGERALD - " JFK- BREAKING THE SILENCE" (1993) BY BILL SLOAN - " THE ADVANCE MAN" (1971/1972) BY JERRY BRUNO AND JEFF GREENFIELD [OF ABC FAME] - " TRUMAN" (1992/1993) BY DAVID McCULLOUGH - " THE LONE STAR- THE LIFE OF JOHN CONNALLY" (1989) BY JAMES RESTON, JR. - " THE ASSASSINS" (10/62) BY ROBERT J. DONOVAN [OF "PT-109" FAME] - " THE MEMORIES" (1973) BY CECIL STOUGHTON, TED CLIFTON, AND HUGH SIDEY - " JFK- CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE" (1992) BY CHARLES CRENSHAW W/ JENS HANSEN AND J. GARY SHAW - " BEST EVIDENCE" (1981/1988) BY DAVID S. LIFTON - FOUR OF HARRISON EDWARD LIVINGSTONE'S BOOKS: "HIGH TREASON" (1989/1990), "HIGH TREASON 2" (1992/1993), "KILLING THE TRUTH" (1993/1994), AND "KILLING KENNEDY" (1995) - "TREACHERY IN DALLAS" (1995) BY WALT BROWN - "CROSSFIRE" (1989) BY JIM MARRS - " A COMPLETE BOOK OF FACTS" (1992) BY JAMES P. DUFFY AND VINCENT L. RICCI - " DEEP POLITICS AND THE DEATH OF JFK" (1993) BY PETER DALE SCOTT - " JFK ASSASSINATION FILE" (1969) BY JESSE CURRY - " FAREWELL AMERICA" (1968) BY JAMES HEPBURN (PSEUD.) - " A WOMAN CALLED JACKIE" (1989) BY C. DAVID HEYMANN - " JOHNNY, WE HARDLY KNEW YE" BY KEN O'DONNELL, DAVE POWERS, AND JOE McCARTHY - " CASE CLOSED" (1993/1994) BY GERALD POSNER - " TREASURY AGENT" BY ANDREW TULLY - " REILLY OF THE WHITE HOUSE" (1947) BY MICHAEL F. REILLY - " THE SECRET SERVICE IN ACTION" (1980) BY HARRY E. NEAL - " WHO'S WHO IN THE JFK ASSASSINATION" (1993) BY MICHAEL BENSON- INFO. ON GRANT AND GREER 'INSPIRED' BY VMP - "VANITY FAIR" MAGAZINE DEC. 1994- ARTICLE BY ROBYNN AND ANTHONY SUMMERS: P. 88 UNCREDITED- VMP - " THE KILLING OF A PRESIDENT" (1993/1994) BY ROBERT GRODEN- P. 202 (AND THROUGHOUT EARLY PART OF BOOK)- 'INSPIRED' BY VMP 8) SECRET SERVICE/ RELATED VIDEOS (IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER): - " THE SECRET SERVICE" (1995) H CHANNEL- 4 VIDEO/ PART, 3 HOURS AND 20 MINUTES - " THE SECRET SERVICE" (OCT. 1995)- CONDENSED VERSION SHOWN ON A&E NETWORK; DEDICATED TO AGENTS KILLED IN OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING; 2 HOURS - " INSIDE THE SECRET SERVICE" (1995) DISCOVERY CHANNEL- 2 HOURS - " INSIDE THE SECRET SERVICE" (1997)- FORMER PRES. REAGAN DOES AN INTRO. AND BORING SAYS ALITTLE MORE ON THIS REBROADCAST - " IN THE LINE OF FIRE" (1993/ 1994)- MOVIE W/ CLINT EASTWOOD - " STALKING THE PRESIDENT' (1992) WHITESTAR VIDEO - " PRESIDENTIAL LIMOUSINES" (1995/1996) RICK BOUDREAU - " JFK- THE ASSASSINATION, THE COVER-UP, AND BEYOND" (1994) BY PROF. JAMES FETZER; SEE PART 5 - COPA 1995 AND 1996 VIDEOS RE: VINCE PALAMARA - JFK/ LANCER VIDEO 1997 RE: VINCE PALAMARA - " TODAY" (11/22/93) NBC SAM KINNEY - " 60 MINUTES" (12/8/75) CLINT HILL; REBROADCAST EXCERPTS SEPT. 1990 AND 11/93 (TWICE) 9) SECRET SERVICE/ RELATED AUDIO TAPES (IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER): - " CFTR RADIO 1976 CANADA- "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"- 2 TAPE SET - " LBJ LIBRARY- YOUNGBLOOD AND DPD CHIEF CURRY - " WBAI RADIO" NY, NY 11/21/95- VINCE PALAMARA - " AIR FORCE ONE" RADIO TAPES 11/22/63- 2 TAPE SET - " HSCA 9/78- ROWLEY AND KELLEY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CURRENT VINCE PALAMARA URLS: 1) The Vince Palamara Page: http://www.njmetronet.com/jfkdpq/v/palamara.html [photo, bio, credits, links to four articles + fact sheet] 2) Secret Service Fact Sheet http://www.njmetronet.com/jfkdpq/v/factsheet_vmp.html 3) Dual Mysteries http://www.njmetronet.com/jfkdpq/vincedual.html 4) More on the Late-Arriving Fragment http://www.njmetronet.com/jfkdpq/fragment_vince.html 5) For History's Sake: A Guest Editorial http://www.njmetronet.com/jfkdpq/vincetorial2.html 6) Possible Secret Service Propaganda http://www.njmetronet.com/jfkdpq/propaganda.html 7) JFK's Death is Often Focus of His Research gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/00/SIGS/JFK/Archives/One/palamara.ppg [my 1/26/98 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article] 8) For History's Sake http://shell.rmi.net/~jkelin/historysake.html [different editorial, same title] 9) The Warren Omission-A Review http://shell.rmi.net/~jkelin/omission.html [perhaps one of THE best books ever?] 10) The Lancer Conference by John Kelin gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/h0/SIGS/JFK/FP/fp.back_issues/20th_Issue/oview3.html 11) The Truth Commission by John Kelin gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/h0/SIGS/JFK/FP/fp.back_issues/20th_Issue/amnesty.html 12) COPA 1996: An Overview by Martin Shackelford gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/h0/SIGS/JFK/FP/fp.back_issues/13th_Issue/copa96_2.html 13) Paine and the Patsy by Steven Jones gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/h0/SIGS/JFK/FP/fp.back_issues/13th_Issue/copa_paines.html 14) The Secret Service and CE399 http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara.htm 15) Network Anomalies 11/22/63 http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~klark/newsmen.html 16) Agents Who Belived There was A Conspiracy 17) Secret Service Agent Ordered Off Limo---Real Video clip 16-17 JFK Lancer http://www.jfklancer.com/index3frame.html [click on "JFK: The Assassination", then "Page 1" articles] 18) The Secret Service Interviews http://www.jfklancer.com/index3frame.html Fall 1997, Vol. 3, Isue 2 of KAC 19) 1997 Lancer conference award/ info. http://www.jfklancer.com/index3frame.html 20) Elf on the Shelf-latest books, good and bad http://www.crafti.com.au/~gerlach/pcissu10.htm [positive review of ORIGINAL edition of my book] 21) Mantik's Misuse of Witnesses Who Said That The Limousine Stopped by Anthony Marsh http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh/Mantik1.htm [Tony takes Mantik to task for misinterpreting my Jan. 1992 TTD article] 22) Review of Assassination Science by Richard Bartholomew http://shell.rmi.net/~jkelin/fetzer.html [mentions my discovery re: ASK 1991 and the SS] 23) Jerry Organ http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/jojoan/limomyths.html [I made the big time: Organ criticizes one small element of my work! :-)] ALSO: Lobster magazine mentions my name re: the June 1995 issue: positive review by Anthony Frewin of the ORIGINAL edition of my book http://www.knowledge.co.uk/xxx/lobster/issue27.htm Gary Null of WBAI radio (NY, NY) is selling copies of my 11/21/95 30-minute appearance on the station http://www.thehealingcenter.com/audio.htm [program #1121, tape #582 of "Hidden Agendas": w/ Palamara, Morningstar, Aguilar, Tunheim, and Newman---30 minutes EACH, commercial-free!] ***DEJA NEWS---THE repository for postings at alt.conspiracy and alt.assaasination.jfk http://x3.dejanews.com/=webcrawler2/profile.xp?author=%22Vincent%20M.%20and%20Jessica%20K.%20Palamara%22%20%3cpalamara@telerama.com%3e&ST=PS [although Startext and Queenbee postings are nOT stored here, I cross-post all of my postings]**** http://x3.dejanews.com/=webcrawler2/dnquery.xp?query=secret+service VINCE PALAMARA 6/14/98 see also my four previous/ related postings: 1) "Letter to trask/ Agent Identifier" (5/27/98); 2) " PUTTING A FACE TO A NAME: AGENT IDENTIFIER II" (5/30/98); 3) "Motorcade Occupant and Secret Service Identifier: films/ photos, etc." (6/11/98); 4) "A-Z SECRET SERVICE (INC. UNDER JFK) IDENTIFIER" (6/13/98)